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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
We got the most recent movie of "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" for Christmas. I was very impressed at how closely it hews to the book. It's a great dramatization of a great book. Both, in my opinion, are classic.
It's also special to me because I have an eldest ds, then dd, then ds, then dd, in about the same spacing. My two sons are best friends with each other, in contrast to how Peter and Edmund are portrayed in the movie, but they do have conflicting personalities at times. My eldest son is very cautious and my second son is much less careful--not careless, but much more relaxed. My two eldest daughters looked at the scene where Lucy tells Susan that she "got boring", and I think felt some of the same emotions.
My eldest ds has been discussing with me why he has chosen to spend a lot of his time vacillating this last semester--spinning his wheels. Some of it has been frustration with leaders in Boy Scouts, some has been frustration with his own failings, some has been a friend advising him to loosen up and "be a kid a while longer while you can" instead of getting to work on employment or education. My ds has been reading our core classics, praying, and researching, so he hasn't totally been wasting his time, but his father and I have shaken our heads several times wondering why he hasn't actively pursued his stated goals.
While reading the words of Spencer W. Kimball I came upon phrases that clarify this: "You are sent to this earth not merely to have a good time or to satisfy urges or passions or desires . . . and have what the world calls "fun." You are sent to this world with a very serious purpose. You are sent to school, for that matter, to begin as a human infant and grow to unbelievable proportions in wisdom, judgment, knowledge, and power."
"One of the most serious human defects in all ages is procrastination, an unwillingness to accept personal responsibilities Now. Men came to earth consciously to obtain their schooling, their training and development, and to perfect themselves, but many have allowed themselves to be diverted and have become . . . addicts to mental and spiritual indolence and to the pursuit of worldly pleasure."
It occurred to me to ask my ds to consider the motives of those advising him; are they giving advice because they want him to succeed, or because they want him to join them in what they're doing?
But the epiphany for me, and from his tone of voice, for him, too, came when we were watching the scenes where the Witch is negotiating with Aslan for the traitor's life. I asked my son what would have happened if the children had said, "No, we want to stay children a while longer." My son said, in a shocked tone, "Things would have turned out very different, very badly."
I was struck by how much Edmund and Peter grew up during this experience. It wasn't as obvious in Susan and Lucy, but the boys became much more manly in accepting responsibility.
Somewhere I read, "Things must happen when it is time for them to happen. So-and-so may go unrescued a long time, but not forever." I don't remember where I read it, but it is true.
Re: Chronicles of Narnia
When we read the Magician's Nephew, my 6 yr old dd turned to me and said that she wanted to learn about everything on Earth and how it worked so she would be able to create her own world someday. I love moments like that.
Corrie
Re: Chronicles of Narnia
I am reading the series aloud to my two oldest. It's my first time reading them and I am LOVING it! We just started Prince Caspian last night.
Have you read "The Horse and his Boy"? There's a part in their about Aslan that I'd love to discuss, but I can wait. Don't want to ruin anything for anyone.
I loved, first of all, reading The Magician's Nephew and finding out, finally, how that silly lamp-post got into a forest. I always had wondered! It's been awhile since I have read it and I am not good at remember impressions the first time through a book. I'll have to think about other thoughts I've had.
KELLY
Re: Chronicles of Narnia - Horse and His Boy
So I grasp the whole Aslan as a Savior archetype character bit. I think it's interesting to watch when C.S. Lewis follows that archetype and when he seems to step back a bit. It seemed very prevalent in Horse and His Boy. I just wanted to write about two parts that thrilled me!
I haven't fully processed my thoughts on this so I hope they don't sound too jumbled.
The first was when Shasta is walking alone and feels/hears something beside him. It turns out to be Aslan. I loved how Shasta is complaining, complaining complaining and finally realizes, as Aslan explains, that he was in reality being helped - not hindered. But my favorite part of this is when Aslan is leaving. First, that he is glowing like the Sun. Second, I loved the imagery of Aslan's footstep in the mud as it slowly fills with water and a stream flows from it... and then Shasta drinks. I thought it was so COOL that C.S. Lewis put in a Living Water reference to the Savior.
The second part that I did like was when Shasta realized that Aslan had very effectively kept him on the "straight and narrow" during their walk together.
As I read these parts I thought of how often I complain of my own personal problems and fail to realize how loved, protected, and cared for I really am.
And here's a question. Aslan hurts Aravis and later tells her that she felt the pain of the servant girl that she drugged (who was whipped for letting Aravis escape). He said that she had to feel the pain/pay the price. Does this part of the story follow the idea of Aslan as a Savior archetype?
I have two ideas on the matter and am curious to know what others think.
First, we all have to pay somewhat for our sins as we repent - but we can never pay the full price and that is where the Savior steps in. So as I read this my first reaction was that it did not follow the archetype properly because Aslan caused justice to be served through Aravis, and not through himself. But as I was thinking about it, I realized that perhaps my first impression was wrong since we all still do have to pay some sort of a price for our sins.
I'd love more comments on this.
KELLY
Re: Chronicles of Narnia - Horse and His Boy
Kelly,
I agree Aslan physically hurting Shasta kind-of does and kind-of doesn't fit the archetype.
Obviously, Christ is never going to hurt us physically.
But on the other hand, he can't keep us from the consequences of our actions, which many times cause real pain.
I, too, liked the living water reference. It reminded me of "The Great Divorce" where the waterfall is singing and truly alive.
I love CS Lewis.
Re: Chronicles of Narnia - Horse and His Boy
I read the series for the first time a few months ago. I was especially struck by The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. My dh & I read The Last Battle together & he was thrilled by the ending. I have more to say, but I'm afraid that not everyone has finished the series and I don't want to spoil it.
Re: Chronicles of Narnia - Horse and His Boy
Kelosh,
We still have to reap what we sow.
Re: Chronicles of Narnia
We are in the middle of reading this series, currently on A Horse and His Boy, where the Tisroc and other royal people come in the room where Aravis and that silly friend of hers are hiding behind the couch.
Never in my life have I read these books, and I'm absolutely LOVING them. My parents never encouraged this type of reading (fantasy/science fiction), so its something I missed as a child and am really enjoying reading with my girls.
I've really been enjoying picking up on all the religios symbolism and moralistic things that are written througout the books. Hopefully my girls have been understanding a bit of that too as we read and I try to explain things about the symbolism. I was in Seagull book earlier this year and saw a book that is like a Christian's guide to reading the Narnia books...explaining in more depth all the religious symbolism. I may have to pick it up and use it when I re-read them again in the future for more serious study. For now I'm just enjoying it like a child would!
Re: Chronicles of Narnia
We read them in publication order, not chronological order. So whatever you want to discuss, do. I've read and reread the series several times, myself.