Help! I'm loosing it!

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I'm going to ramble a minute and try to communicate my frustrations and ask the right questions. I have 2 kids age 4 & 1 with 1 more on the way in just 6 weeks. We have a pretty good routine down and I have started to shift a few things around. In the mornings we eat, get dressed, make beds, etc. Since we aren't really in an academic mode now I use mornings to really focus on them. We do kidschool - very recently started and having kinks which I'm ironing out. Mostly we read library books and I just play what they want to play. Mornings are actually pretty good and I enjoy them, it's when the afternoon it's I can't figure it out!

Afternoons are for setting the example. I look forward to that time to work on my things, but with young kids it just seems impossible. I've read many posts on different TJEd websites that envy parents with kids who are young because we have so much time to work on our scholar phase...well that certainly doesn't seem to be what is happening for me. I figured that by spending the time in the morning with them I would have time in the afternoon to do my reading and activities but it doesn't work. My 4 year old has always been high demand but it doesn't seem to get any better. He is very creative and can play on his own for quite a while when he feels like it but most of the time it is interrupting me every 5 minutes, or bugging his sister so I have to intervene. I just don't know what to do! He wants me to play with him all day! I am trying to discipline myself to attend to his needs, but when they don't stop, what do I do. How do I balance trying to be an example, meeting his needs, and teaching him to play on his own. As soon as I sit down to read it's I'm hungry, he bugs his sister, he wants me to do this and that, he wants me to read to him (even though we did that for 45 minutes in the AM), he wants me to play with him (even though we did that all morning).

I guess mostly my questions are: What do you do when you just have young children to get that time for yourself? Are we supposed to just do what they want all day? How do you set limits and help them understand that mom can't be at their beck and call all day? Or, am I supposed to be at their beck and call all day? When I'm trying to read I invite him to look at books while I read...but that is not enough for him, he wants my undevided attention all day. I'm trying to enjoy this time as much as I can realizing that one day they may not have that constant need and I may miss it, but I'm so frustrated. Please, help...any suggestions, encouragement.

RE: Help I'm Losing It

I have seven children and seven grand children. I have learned a few things along the way.

!. REGULAR MEALS AND HEALTHY SNACKS: We got in the habit of regular meals and healthy snacks. If they are fed regularly, they are less likely to complain about hunger. I would also keep fruit and nuts on the table and a water dispenser close so they could help themselves.

2. LONG WALKS:I had my first three in four years. When I was pregnant with my third, a German woman moved into the apartment complex where we lived. She had a baby buggy and I had a wagon, She would put her baby in the buggy and my children would take turns pulling each other in the wagon. When my two year old got tired, we would put him with her child in the buggy. We developed the rhythm and habit of taking an hour walk every day, year round and we lived in Denver at the time. We would walk after lunch. I got fit, and the kids wore out. When we got back, they were ready to cuddle and listen to their favorite stories and would drift off to nap. Sometimes they did not nap and I insisted on quiet time. Children who get pent up energy out are usually easier to channel. My third child walked at 6 months and by a year could walk a mile and refused the stroller, she loved to run along.

3. LIMIT MEDIA ACCESS. Children who have limited access to media have an easier time developing attention spans. We had neither TV nor Computer access until the youngest of the first three was six and a half. Media babysitters tend to breed into children the constant need for entertainment.

4. FAMILY READING. I picked an interesting long series, The Little House Books. The first day I read until they started disturbing each other, about 1/2 page. The newborn suckled, the two year old played on the floor and listened, and the four year old sat next to me. They could be busy as long as they were not distracting someone else. It was not long before they realized that if they were quiet I would continue to read and they could stay up. The 1/2 page gave way to chapters!

5. THE WALTON PLAN. Based on a 1970's TV show, which was based on a depression era story. They were a farm family. They all went to bed at the same time, adults and children. Goodnight Ma, Goodnight PA, Goodnight Mary Ellen, Goodnight John boy... Kids need more rest and when they have spent their energy and retire early they do adjust to sleeping longer. The parents and grandparents were always up before the kids. I think many children stay up because they are afraid they'll miss out. Well, if the house is quiet that is not likely. Our bodies naturally respond to change in light. When we artificially keep the sun out with TVs and computer into the late night, we trick our bodies, somewhat, and we do not produce the melatonin to make us tired. Turning stuff off after dinner and having a wind down family time can help reset those natural clocks. I honestly believe that night people have trained themselves to do that. I used to believe I was a night person. Now I know better. Retiring with the children gives me a good night's sleep before arising with a fresh mind to study scriptures. DeMille wrote in his book that we start with ourselves, and we start with our central canon, drink from it everyday, align our lives with it and teach it to our children. That is the most powerful example you can set when it comes to scholarly learning. The skills developed there can be carried into other studies later.

6. FAMILY WORK: I have found that most moms who grew up after 1960s are aware of chores but not family work. They have a difficult time grasping core phase because they were often in daycare or preschool. When you say delay academics and focus on work and play, they often translate that into getting the children entertained so mom can work. Children need to work along side their parents. This builds identity, relationships, the idea of a work ethic, quality, and more. Children can learn to work independently as they grow and mature and try to do more themselves. I see chores as a factory model that crept into the homeculture. We teach stewardship in other ways, through dividing other family responsibilities. Each person gets to be a leader in something, and each gets to learn how to support a leader. The youngest might be the prayer and devotions caller. One child is responsible to gather the family to plant and care for the garden. One child is responsible to help us plan and carry out family activities. All help put meals on and all help clean up.

When kids are small you snatch moments when you can. Carry a classic in your pocket or purse. Read some to your children. We have read most of the children's classics, and I have read small children Lonesome Gods, Jane Eyre, Little Britches, Laddie, Pride and Prejudice, The Children's Homer, Narnia, and even biographies. The mom in Laddie learned along with her children. When you have core and love of learners I really do not think it is reasonable to spend hours in study. It is not the season. The example they need is of family culture of books, starting with the scriptures, and seeing that good literature is important. Now is the time to lay down boundaries, the tracks of good habits and habitudes so that as they grow, they can be better governors of self and not need constant entertainment. They need to see you alive, inquisitive and sharing. I feel that a mom sitting for hours in the afternoon reading is not a very inspiring example to little children. As they grow, if you tend to their core and love of learning you will see the day that there will be more time for self. Those moms just starting out, who have not had children or have sleeping infants and toddlers may also have time, but if children are older, you may be lucky to get in 15-30 minutes a day beyond personal scripture study. Add to that going to the library and family scripture study and read alouds to your children and they will get the idea that you value education and learning.

Breathe. it is OK. Enjoy your kiddos. They are only young once!

Thanks for your comments

Donna Gene,

I really love reading your comments. Thanks so much for sharing your experiences! I find them inspiring and wise.

I read in another post that you were going to have your own web site. Please let us know when it's up. I look forward to more of your insights.

My own website?

"I read in another post that you were going to have your own web site. Please let us know when it's up. I look forward to more of your insights."

I did create a gateway blog to my special topic blogs. I call the gateway blog Mahalo, Donna
url- http://donnagoff.blogspot.com/ I called it Mahalo, Donna because that is how I have signed my name for years.

I am consolidating my time. When I see a challenge I will post my response on my blog that I started when I was blogging my 5 Pillar Journey. http://donnasjourney.moorhouseacademy.org/
then I will just post the link to my response. This way my posts are available to anyone, and I retain ownership of what I say, so it is easier to compile in a book later, and is all in one place for people. When people post the same question on several boards, I will post the same link as my answer. I am presently working to simplify my side menu, which with over 1000 posts is a huge task.

I have two websites, a school and an organization:
*Moor House Academy- http://moorhouseacademy.org/
A TJEd cyber school since 2002. The curriculum guides are presently free. It costs nothing to get an account and access the free content. This is done through the scholar login in the side menu bar. When I change my website materials may no longer be free, as building an easier to use site will cost money.

*The Princess Academies- http://princessacademies.com/
"An international organization for young ladies and their mothers, as well as, adult women. All young ladies, their mothers, and women are princesses, because they are all daughters of the Heavenly King. The Princess Academies is not about being princesses, it is about preparing princesses to be queens. This preparation is promoted through two avenues. First, through The Hope Chest Journey: A Call to Beauty and Grace, where mothers and daughters can, together, discover, embrace, and develop the lost arts of Godly womanhood in their lives. Second, by building an environment of supportive relationships with other mothers, daughters, and women. This environment is created through establishing a Princess Academy Circle in the home."

So am I

I am also close to delivering a baby (7 weeks to go) and find myself getting frustrated quite often these days. I think your frustration is mostly due to pregnancy hormones--I know mine is. However, there are a few things I think you can do to help the situation.

First of all, I wouldn't worry about being and example and making sure your kids see you study. I have to study before my kids get up in the morning, or I simply can't because of the constant interruptions. Because I put them to bed at the same time I go to bed (around 10) I usually have a couple of hours in the morning in which to study. If a child gets up early, I lock myself in a room (it's before my husband goes to work.)

Also, your child does need to learn to be less needy. You won't have as much time for him after the baby comes. Try to get him to do things for himself by giving instructions or suggesting alternatives. Make repeat tasks doable for him (like making sure he can reach cups and water for his own drinks.) Don't allow pestering. If you say no and he keeps whining and complaining, don't just ignore him (or you'll go crazy), tell him to stop and discipline him if he doesn't.

One last suggestion is to try to get playdates for him, if possible. It sounds like his younger sister is too young for them to play well, so maybe a neighborhood kid could provide some entertainment for him. With young children, breaks often come when they are absorbed in playing with another child. I sometimes get an hour of "me" time when my kids are playing together because they don't need anything.

Good luck with everything and congratulations on the baby.

no cure yet

I understand. I had three children within four years, and yes, they are very needy for at least four years. A couple things though...

I like the idea of quiet time in the afternoon. I was not good at enforcing that for my children, but when I took a nap (in those days my nap was on the living room couch) they learned to be quiet or Mom got really really cranky and strict.

Boys need exercise. More than most girls do (though I have a high energy daughter, too). Since you're probably feeling large and not moving quickly, go outside with him and play something that he will have to move around to do, like chase a ball that you throw. Indoors we used to play dodgeball with rolled-up socks.

Enlist your son's help to make meals and do dishes (I know, that seems like a lot more work than getting him to go away so you can do them). It's time with him, which he wants; it's training him in safety and food skills and math (counting) and social skills (how to keep the batter away from the toddler when it's his turn and how to let her have a turn getting her hands all squishy without getting upset). And when it gets messy, keep calm, hand him a rag, you clean and have him clean it up, together, so that later, when he spills something, it will be automatic for him to go get the rag and wipe it up--without your supervision. Though to start with, you want to keep the eyes in the back of your head open, because he won't do a good job of cleaning for some time yet. I always explained that you rinse out the rag and then wipe the surface again, so it won't be sticky. That way I had an excuse to finish the job without making my child feel he had done a bad job.

If he's pestering his sister, that's a discipline thing that you can set him on a chair for (or if he's really being egregious, like biting, you can smack his rear).

Yes, he'll be very needy for a while yet. I sometimes think public schools start at five or six because the children aren't ready to be away from Mom for any length of time before that. On the other hand, most five-six-seven year olds go through an emotional growth stage that involves a lot of wanting their own way, whining, fussing, and not knowing what to do with their sudden comparative willfulness. It might be a side effect of becoming more independent from Mom.

Do the best you can with the time you have with him, because once he becomes more independent it will be more difficult to change his behavior to more acceptable forms. Model politeness and keep a steady bedtime. Also realize that in six weeks, more or less, your schedule will go out the window and he'll adjust to being more self-directed, because Mommy will be busy nursing and he'll have to help toddler get a sandwich for lunch every day. So do with him when you can, and when you just feel like you cannot stand to be with your children, take time out (in the bathroom if necessary--the house will still be standing when you come out). Don't worry about keeping the house spotless (if your dh objects to untidiness, he is welcome to start cleaning). Your children's behavior is more important.

Set a date night with dh and keep it--as regularly as possible. When we could, we got a babysitter once a week. We were blessed with friends who would babysit free or low-cost. When dh's schedule didn't allow a date night, we did lunch, or we put children in bed and ate fast food at home together. We also discovered that you can buy cold foods from the deli on food stamps, so while my dh was underemployed we had our dates low-cost, too.

If you are LDS, go to the temple regularly. If you are religious at all, go to church. I know there are people who say that church meetings should not split families into age-groups, that we should all worship together all the time. That's fine for the main service, but Sunday School and Primary are life-savers for moms who are home with children all the time. It even helps when Mom is the Primary teacher!

Have a devotional each day (you probably already do). Sing songs that relate to your core classic, pray, learn patriotic songs and the Pledge of Allegiance. Play dance music while cleaning the house with children. It helps my mood a LOT! Also read the comics with children, laugh, and explain why it's funny. That's education and it's fun. Laugh when you can, and try to make it often.

Scholar phase for you, will happen in the tiny spaces between needs. I took one day and wrote down every fifteen minutes what I was doing; at that point I was changing a diaper every fifteen minutes! Once I could see what I was actually doing, I didn't feel so unaccomplished. Try keeping a log yourself.

Listen to audiobooks. Nurse in front of a book or educational website. At one point I read college texts aloud to my oldest child. He has a large vocabulary now! Keep a book in the bathroom. Make sure all the media coming into your home is good, useful stuff.

I don't allow commercial television, because the commercials are the most corrosive part! They teach contrary values (the worst, to me, is when they picture parents as old fogies who should not be listened to). If this is an influence in your family, discuss it prayerfully with your dh and observe your son closely. We use videos and DVDs, but we (ds age 14) have to keep the computer where I can keep an eye and ear on what he's doing, because he goes on YouTube a lot. Be certain you're discussing your values with your son, at his level, and when something comes up, discuss it. Don't dodge, or if you're out in public, be certain to discuss the issue when you get home.

It's a fulltime job. Momhood is really, really, fulltime. 24 and 7. But it's also a gift from God. You can do it! God will help. Let your dh help--encourage him to take over at least once a day so you can get a breather. Get enough sleep. You CAN do it.

Young Kids!

I don't envy you! My son, the only boy, is stuck right in the middle of our family of five kids (11, 9, 6, 17mo., & 2 mo.) and he is often lonely for a playmate. The older girls are doing their own girl stuff, and the babies are doing their baby stuff...and he bugs me for a playmate. I know how it goes!

Here are some of my tricks:
send him outside to dig, run around the house (I tell him to run "laps" a certain # of times),
let him do something educational on the computer for 30 minutes, set him up with play-doh, ignore him, etc. :-)

For all my kids I have always required a 'rest' time that happens for 2 hours every afternoon. It is my time to read, rest, nap, or work on my own projects. The kids can read their books, sleep, write quietly, etc. Usually the kids are supposed to stay on their beds (unless they share with a napping baby - in which case I find another quiet spot for them - usually my own bed). It took some doing setting this routine with my oldest, but the other children have all followed lock, step, and barrel once the routine was in place. For my oldest daughter to understand I set a timer so that she could see time passing. I started with less than 2 hours, of course, and we built up over the course of a few weeks, until she was used to the idea and no longer needed the timer. I also had the promise of something special (story, game, special snack) if she could stay on her bed until the timer went off. It didn't take long to develop a habit of rest time. I have never had to do that with any other child.

For boys, it helps to get a lot of energy out in the morning.

I treasure my rest time so the effort of creating it was worth it to me. Now that some of my children are older I let them do pretty much whatever they want as long as the don't disturb me too often.