What "should" be taught vs. interests

I spent this past summer reading about TJEd. I found it fascinating and also realized that we are already using this method in many ways.

I am struggling with the idea of having my children study what they are interested in. Here is an example. My nine-year-old son and I just spent almost an hour practicing his violin. He loves to play. I also love working with him because before I became a stay-at-home mom, I was an accomplished musician and music teacher.

I know how beneficial playing an instrument is to the student's overall development. We had so much fun, I was excited, he was excited. It was great!

I am struggling with spending such a large amount of time on music when he is not very good at reading, spelling and handwriting. Do I trust that developing his skills as a musician will spill over into improving his reading/spelling/handwriting skills? I won't totally ignore his reading/writing/handwriting skills, but how much do I push him since he wouldn't choose to do them on his own? Or better stated, how do I inspire him in these areas that are so difficult for him?

He also loves science and history. I read to him (and the other children) as much as time allows. This son would be thrilled if we were also doing chemistry and physics experiments. Another area in which he is talented is art. I purchased art lessons on DVD for him this year. He can spend an hour or more working with that. Again, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to inspire him to want to study reading, spelling and handwriting. If he had his way, we would never do these subjects.

Also, what about the other children? I have five living at home (our oldest is already in college.) The ages of these children are 12, 9, 6, 3, and 1. My 12-year-old has many learning struggles. Her choice would be to spend the day sewing, cooking and learning an instrument. What about her reading, spelling and math skills? My six-year-old needs one-on-one instruction because she's just learning to read. She is excited about doing her basic skills but needs my time. And then there's my very bright three-year-old. She also loves doing "school." I could easily spend an hour or more with her on a daily basis.

In summary it seems I have two questions. First, how do I balance things that "should" be covered, i.e. reading, spelling, writing, etc., with the things the kids want to study. Second, how do I get it all done with five children vying for my attention?

I am very new to this website and haven't had time to dig through previous threads. I'm sure my questions have been raised previously. I hope you don't mind re-visiting an old topic.

I look forward to your input!

Blessings,
Susan

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Hello I have had this issue come up in my home as well. My son did not love to read or spell. He loves to draw and tell stories. He can name many of the outdoor bugs and what they eat. lol I really wa not too worried about him though. I just read to him a lot! I brought home many books that set his many intrest on fire. He would spend hours looking at the pictures making up his own words to the story. Then recently he wants to read. He wants more information. He wants to cook and needs to read the recipe ( so he can do it without help) He is becoming quite independent. For my son I think the turning point was when he turned 8 and entered cub scouts and now he recieves awards for the goals he sets towards earning his wolf badge. He loves to read and Scouting set his moving. He is soaking up so much knowledge at this point and is moving right along with his reading. He has realized that mommy with 5 other kiddos running around can not always read the books he wants me to read. He has been voulunteering at church to read scriptures aloud even if is a bit slower than the other boys. The other morning I had dosed off nursing the baby and He thought I was asleep. I overheard him reading a book on Knights to his little brother. I in my dosed stated woke right up not letting him know I was awake. He can do it. I struggled with trusting the learning process too and now I have seen the results of letting him learn on his own time table.

Just last year I was on bed rest while pregnant with the baby. I was struggling to get school done in the fashion I wanted. I had the kids enrolled in a k12 online school. I went from unschooling to Public school at home. It did not go well at all. My dear daughter who has always been a very self taught learner by nature began to hate school. I would beg, plead, even bribe to get her to do school. Last October I said enough and unenrolled all 3 of the older kids from school. My oldest daughter was in a talent show in her church group I was nervous that she would feel she did not have any talents. She started piano lessons and then when they became required she would not practice. Well she decided Science was her talent. She went online and found a science experiment she wanted to to with her dad. Then in she made me a list of things she needed and off to Home Depot we went. The day of the Dress Rehersal I was really sick in bed again. And I was feeling rather guilty as moms do. My dear daughter instead of becoming angry with me just went in and put it all together by herself. When she could not find the one of many rulers we have in our house she google searched one and printed it off and completed her project. Hey it worked wonderful and she was so excited. I was so dumbfounded. Here I thought she was not learning anything. I was so wrong. I also learned she had been teaching her younger sister to read and spell her name. Hey my dd helped her younger sister get her very own library card. As a tradition in my family when a child can write her or his own name the hey can get a library card. So thanks to Arthur on PBS and my older daughter my younger daughter loves her library card and is also learning to read rather auickly so she can read up on all the princesses she can. lol.
The night of my older daughters Talent show my dd had left the wire attached to the battery on accident and her project did not work out. Intstead of getting upset or embarrassed as usual for her she went to the piano and played two songs she taught herself on the piano. And to think I thought I was the only one who could teach my kids.
I know now that these TJED principles are amazing. I am seeing the fruits of applying the principles in my home. Yes there are still days when I get frantic when I feel school did not happen. Then I am amazed all over again when I see just what my kids really know and hear all they have learned.
I know the kids mimick what we do in our own lives. My hubby and I are always reading, going to a book club or looking up questions on the internet.
I have even set and read a book aloud as the kids run a muck in the room to only find out how much they have truly soaked in.
I hope this helps some.
Rhonda mommy of 6 in Colorado.

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Rhonda,

Thanks for sharing your story. I'm curious, how old is your son now?

Just as an update, I changed my approach with my son for reading and spelling. I am using lots of games and really trying hard to make it fun for him.

Can you believe it? When we went to school today, the first thing he wanted to do was reading!

It's so hard being patient. Especially when there are so many programs out there that are sure they can "fix" your child. I need to learn to ignore them and just trust in God's plan for our son.

Susan

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Susan,
My son is Eight right now. He loves games too. He is a kinesthetic learner always on the move. He learns by moving. It really helped me to make up some games for phonics, sight words, and spelling in where movement was involved. I am really thinking of getting a set of walkie talkies for him for Christmas so he can be out digging in the dirt and things as I read to him and quiz him on spelling. He loves to write on the sidewalk with chalk or paint. Games are always good to help a child learn and they do not realize that they are learning.
I think that as adults it is very hard for us to develop patience. Would it not be easier if everyone did things on our timetable. It sure makes us feel good and I know I become discouraged when things don't seem to happen as I plan them out in my head. lol My son has repeatedly said Why do I need to read it is so boring. Do I have to sit still and be quiet. I want to do out side and explore. Cub Scouting has been great for him. We have been checking out books on bugs, birds, clouds, weather, trees, plants ect. He sits for hours drawing pictures out of the books and trying to find the wild things in our back yard in books so he can identify them. Right now we are reading a biography of John Muir a naturalist. Josh does not want me to stop reading. He loves hearing the story because just as he is John is always having a great adventure. It is so amazing to see them lit on fire about learning and making progress in leaps and bounds. It was not until I let go and trusted my son and the Lords timetable that it all came to pass.

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Hi Susan,

I'm sorry if my remarks before sounded terse.

My boys HATE writing and spelling, too. Sometimes I worry, but then, as I look over their binders for the last few years, I realize they are getting better-- just not as quickly as I'd like.

Also, I have to remind myself that once they WANT to learn those things, they will improve quickly.

It's like potty-training. Sticking out tongue When THEY decide it's time, they do it easy-as-pie. But if I have to fight and push, then there's lots of tears, frustration, and accidents. (Sorry, this is on my brain right now. My 4yo son JUST potty-trained this past week in two days time, and he's already moved to the BIG toilet.*Hooray!* Much rejoicing!!! All because he got to work on his timetable.)

Same thing has happened to a few of my readers. If I pushed, and worried about them being "caught up," they fought me tooth and nail. But when I read aloud to them, and read in front of them, and work with them when THEY want me to, I have seen miracles occur! Smiling

I am trusting that the same thing will happen with their writing and spelling. Smiling Meanwhile, I *do* have writing workbooks available, and they write stories, and letters to grandma, and scouting stuff, etc. (On their own.) I help with their spelling and punctuation and TRY not to nag or worry. Eye-wink

I hope this helps.

HUGS,

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It all depends on your definition of WHAT "should" be taught. Eye-wink

For us, it's about priorities. Smiling And here they are:

1) Have they been taught what is right? Do they have a good relationship with God?
2) Do they know how to WORK? Do they have chores? Do they follow through on them? Are they responsible?
3) Are they free to play, explore, create and imagine?
4) Are they HOME? Do they value their family? Are they being nurtured and guided?
5) Do they feel loved and accepted for who they are? Is their home a secure place where they are loved, and their confidence is built?

If the answer to any of these questions is negative, I don't start on ANY academics. Smiling Now, lots of teaching and learning can be FUN-- then it counts as PLAY. (No "requirement strings" attached.)

If I am concerned about what my kids are doing, I only have 2 places to look; to God for reassurance, and to myself to see what kind of example I'm setting.

Students study with passion and interest when they are INSPIRED. No one can require a love of learning into anyone. And if they study because they are forced to do so, they will obtain a hate of learning.

Mom, what have YOU studied lately? What are YOU reading right now?

These are the questions that will help your children. Smiling

With love,

RE: What chould be taught vs. interests (Beautifully said)

That is the exact answer I needed personally. I am newly converted to TJEdRefers generally to the concepts presented in the book A Thomas Jefferson Education, written by Dr. Oliver DeMille. We also have an Introduction to Thomas Jefferson Education available elsewhere on this site. and I cannot tell you how that simply put helps me realize that my job as a parent is far more important than a set of academics, and far more complex than setting down a boxed curriculum or workbook in front of my child. Sure, I still worry, I'm human, but I know that deep in my heart that this is what I should do with my children. I am searching myself to see what my mission is so that my children will want to search for theirs. That's a big job in itself. Thank you, Rachel. I am going to print your response and put it next to my bed.
Admiration to you,
Kat

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Dear Rachel,

Thank you for your post. I can honestly answer "yes" to the five questions you listed.

As far as setting an example for my children, I think I'm doing that. But to be sure, and also to find ways to improve my inspiring, I will tell you what I'm doing and hope that you can provide further suggestions.

I have a book in my hand constantly. The books I choose to read are usually related to parenting, faith, and teaching my children. I am currently reading "Seeing Stars: Symbol Imagery for Phonemic Awareness, Sight Words and Spelling" by Nanci Bell. I'm reading this with my son who is struggling with reading in mind. I have several books on parenting and faith development that I am working on. We read and study scripture daily.

My children and I are studying American History, specifically Westward Expansion, right now. We just finished "Sitting Bull" from the Childhood of Famous Americans series. We will be starting "Custer's Last Stand" from the Landmark series tomorrow. We have been doing history as a family for years. Besides reading together we do map work and art or craft projects related to the time period we're studying.

Last Friday we spent the day at Fort Snelling, St. Paul, MN learning about World War II. This Friday we will be returning to learn about the Civil War. This past summer we visited a Native American historical site. Over the years we have visited various historical sites in our area as well as science, history and art museums. We attend orchestra concerts several times a year.

We found a strange looking caterpillar the other day. My son built it a habitat (this meant a lot to him since he had just learned the word "habito - I live in" in his Latin course--he loves Latin BTW) and we're waiting to see if he chose the right type of leaves for the caterpillar to eat.

We are reading "Exploring Creation through Zoology 1" text out loud. I know this isn't a classic, but I've found this text series is a good way to get basic science information to my children. We are blessed with 27 acres of land with a variety of habitats (river, swamp/pond, woods, grasslands). We are able to observe on our own property many of the things we read about.

I know I am lacking in reading something from the classics myself. Time is always an issue. I'm not making excuses, just stating the facts. I have chosen to use my time for reading the types of books I mentioned earlier.

I'm just curious, would me reading a classic vs. the books I have been reading make a difference in inspiring my children? Or is just the fact that they see me reading and studying what is important?

My does love to learn. In fact, he's the one who always says "more, more" when I finish reading our history or science. He'd be happy if I could read to him all day.

The act of reading is so hard for him, that's why he doesn't like doing it himself. I try very hard to keep him interested and motivated by using games and fun competitions, i.e. how many words can you read in one minute, but I must admit, it is a huge challenge.

We're really doing all right. I just wish I could get my son over this "reading is so hard" hump. It is the one thing that makes him not like school.

Thanks for listening!

Susan

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My ten year old son doesn't enjoy writing much either. But he really likes communicating with people. So he has a "pen-pal". This is not something he does via email! They write on real paper with real pencils. He absolutely LOVES seeing a letter in the mail box! Some of our best spelling lessons have come from his desire to communicate with someone. And-- you wouldn't want something you send to someone else to be sloppy!! That could be real embarrassing! Penmanship 101.

It is also huge for him to be able to carry on back and forth with a boy his age who is also homeschooled!

Hope this helps!

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Well, I am not an expert and my children are still rather young, so take this more as brainstorming than advice. Smiling With the time problem, is there any way that the older children could work with the younger children sometimes? I know I learn things better when I am teaching them. It also sounds like they have a lot of talents to share. On the inspiring problem, I remember that with the story about the boy only interested in motorcycles, the mentor found things to read about motorcycles that the boy found interesting and they planned a trip, etc. in order to use math in a real way that related to his interest. I can definately see how you could do a little class or two on fractions that would relate to both the cooking and the music (and maybe the sewing). Your children might find the connection intriguing and it could lead to a discussion of decimals. You could discuss a hypothetical family trip to someplace where there's a violin concert or cooking contest and plan what you'd see on the way, how often and where you'd have to stop for gas, etc. I think that's the type of thing you teach them all together when you're teaching them what's yours. It would take some thought and research to find a way to present it in a way that is interesting and helpful, but I think it is that thought and time that makes it yours to share. You could give your son a biography of a famous musician or "Spiritual Lives of the Great Composers." Your daughter might find "The Hundred Dresses" interesting. Try to find books that you think would be fun to discuss. I think if your children see you reading and enjoying math that would help a lot too.

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I've been struggling with how to encourage my kids to read and write more, too. I've recently come to the conclusion that if I want them doing those things, I'd better be doing them, too, and probably *before* I expect them to show much of an interest.